I looked at the width of the sub-terminal tail band on adult Red-tails as well as the darkness to the red color and found that the smallest Red-tails (ones that take 7A bands and weighed under 900 gms healthy) tended to have broader sub-terminal bands and darker reddish tails than "large" Red-tails (weighing over 1200 gms and requiring 7D bands). The real issue (besides overlap in these traits) is that most Red-tails fall between these measurements and show a sub-terminal band intermediate in width! Another issue arises when comparing light-morph to dark-morph birds, birds from different geographic locations, or factors that could effect tail color (fading, etc.).
By the way, there is overlap in the sub-terminal tail band width of adult male and female Swainson's Hawks as well, so do not use that trait on its own to sex Swainson's Hawks, especially when sexing dark-morph birds! I should also mention that there is a paper on sexing Western Red-tailed Hawks using a combination of measurements authored by Kara Donohue that you can download here:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1557-9263.2006.00003.x/abstract
Presumed male Eastern
Presumed male Western
Presumed female Eastern
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Interesting as always Jerry. Is there anything you haven't studied? I love the blog, please keep it going.
Dave C.
Thank you Dave
I plan to blog until I run out of things to say....
Jerry, why do you caution "especially dark morph birds" when sexing Swainson's Hawks? Can they really be sexed by the band on the tail?
Anonymous - There are average measurements for the sub-terminal tail band width of Swainson's Hawk, but there is overlap as well and dark birds tend to have broader bands than light birds so dark males will fall into the female measurement fairly often. It is similar to plumages of adult Swainson's, there are general differences between adult male and female, but plumage overlaps. It's like trying to age female Kestrels based on the width of the black band at the tail tip, the overlap is too great! That is why I ignore previous literature at times until I have studied something in depth myself.
Interesting and useful. Thanks for sharing.
Damn red tails! This species never makes it easy, does it? So Jerry, if you have a photograph of an adult (and it's probably easier with eastern birds) and you noticed the sub terminal band is pretty narrow, what's the percentage that it's a female? And vice versa, if it's slightly wider, what percentage would you say it's a male? Would it be going out on a limb to say "75% chance that bird is a male"? Or is it best to just stay the heck away from that?!
I also noticed some of those western birds that have heavily banded tails have a very wide sub-terminal band, compared to say the eastern birds. Does that sub-t band width for Carulus aslo follow the "tentative" rule of wider = male and narrower = female?
I wouldn't say a % because even though I looked at a good number of birds, there are a million Red-tails out there, so any number I give would be misleading
Chucks! You're too smart for our own bad.
Yes, that title did "get my attention"! I was hoping for a magic bullet...
But I came away impressed with your logical thought process and your reluctance to jump to conclusions. Every time I visit here I'm more impressed by how well you know your stuff, Jerry. Thanks to you there's hope that I will eventually get red-tails figured out to some small degree...
Thanks Ron....that is a nice compliment, especially coming from you.
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